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about Salsa in the Circle City. Salsa has become a lifestyle for some of us: music,
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has been a regular of Indy's Salsa scene since 1998.
When Ego Gets in the Way of Good Dancing by Erin
Lamb
posted March 18, 2008
As a salsa dancer I have always felt that it was not necessarily the skill level of the lead that made the dance enjoyable for me, but the level of enthusiasm that my partner had about dancing. So many men are obsessed with getting the moves and looking cool that they forget to have fun. There are many times that I have been dancing at the club and have felt like I am the prop for the man to launch himself off of – a little rag doll for him to manipulate while he basks in the light of his own magnificence. Move-obsessed leads are not a new problem to Indianapolis, or anywhere else you find salsa dancers. However, the problem has endured so long that it has essentially become part of the definition of what it is to dance with a lead from Indy. It is “our style” of dancing.
While in the past, the move-obsessed male would only go from move to move while dancing wildly off-beat. Now, I will admit that many men have corrected their timing, and have even added some style. The problem is, they have only added in their style – no style allowance for the women. It is not often that a lead from Indy lets go of his partner. He clutches to her as if he is clutching to life itself. At most, we get T-stances and lunge stances thrown at us. Those are perfectly nice, but they are also perfectly restricting. Sometimes I have the urge to go crazy, break away from his grasp and take off across the dance floor just to see if he follows. So far I have restrained myself.
Another bittersweet accomplishment for the men in Indy is spins. I am glad to see the men spinning themselves more, BUT . . . in focusing on their own spins, I have found that for each turn the man gives himself, he decreases mine by that same number. It has gone from extremes – In the past I was being asked to do 8 spins here, 4 there, and a triple thrown on the end for good measure. Now I get one spin here, one spin there, and a cross over with turn for the grand finale. While I appreciate the break, can't we find a happy-medium, boys?
There is light at the end of the tunnel I have found. I have noticed some of the younger, newer male dancers (what I like to call “newbies”) do not have some of these habits I have described. They have no shame, they'll try anything once, and aren't concerned if they mess up. And they don't perform for anyone watching from the sidelines. You can actually interact with them because their focus is on you, not the person off in left field!
I've also noticed that these newbies have good styling and let the girl go 2, maybe 3 times during the dance - just long enough to have some fun, and then break back into partner dancing.
In addition, these newbies will dance with everyone. They do not search the floor for women with qualifications suiting their needs as superior dancers. If the song is good, and a woman is free, he dances with her - no applications, credit-check or pre-approval necessary.
So word to the wise, boys - stop worrying about looking good and impressing everyone besides your partner. The dance floor is not your stage. No one is at the club for a show. Part of being an attractive dancer is to have the ability to make your partner smile – maybe even laugh! Let loose, be shameless. You don't need a million moves to be considered a good dancer. You just have to know how to have fun.
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Reader's comments
I can really relate to this article. I have just started taking Salsa lessons about 2 months ago. I am catching on in class and like dancing in class. However, when I go out to dance some of the males do a lot of what you are talking about in the beginning of your article. And then I am embarassed because I don't know what to do while they are "SUPER" Styling as I call it:-) I like dancing with the ones that don't do all of that. I can follow along with them:-) Dios Bendiga.
- Lil' PR Girl
Bueno! Fantastic write-up. AGREED!
- Su-pah-grrrl
Way to go Erin. LOL! your article is funny. loved it. especially about the guys who do a credit check before asking. Thanks for standing up for the "newbies".
- Anonymous
Yes I do need a million moves.
- Super Mario
thank you so much erin when i go dance somtimes i dont get asked the whole night because they are looking for the best girl out there and thats not fair i might not be the best but i can teach them boys a couple things lol thanks.
- indiandoll
As I was reading this article, I was in much agreement, but as I thought deeper and looked at what the core problem might have been, I had came to this thought of why these (old school/experienced) dancers came to be in the first place. Isn't that your studio's fault? Honestly, between IntoSalsa and IndySalsa/Redbrick, they were the only dance studios around "back in the day" and it was up to the instructors to teach this. The point of salsa is to ultimately have fun and to show off the lady. If you never expressed this in your classes, then they wouldn't know to do this. You can't "knock" some leads for something that they were ignorant of because of poor instruction. The majority of the "experienced dancers" in this city, came from your studio. Am I wrong? Also, most women reject breaking away from from their partner because they feel uncomfortable doing shines. They don't know what to do. That might be the reason why some men don't part from their partners; to make the lady feel comfortable dancing with him by not putting her "on the spot" all the time. I think that the men here just assimilated to that attitude. Hopefully in the near future that will change and we can expect more out of our dancers here.
- Experienced dancer
Experienced dancer, please don't rush to blame IntoSalsa for the problem. How come you don't give us any credit for the improvement of the male dancers? How do you know we don't teach the guys to make the girls look good? The thing is every guy learning Salsa will go through a period of time that he's obsessed with moves. I'll be the first to admit that I've been there done that. It's normal that a guys start to learn all these moves and focus only on them: "I'm finally cool with all the moves!" They are not paying enough attention to the girls. We teach people not just moves in our classes, but also styling and rhythm. It's up to the students to use them when they go out to dance. In the past, we have a lot of guys who care mostly about moves. Now, there're a lot more guys who want to do things the right way - learning how to really dance and making the girls feel good on the dance floor. It took a while for the guys here to make the transition, but it's nice to see that. Now when you go out to a Salsa night, you'll see people dance a lot more, and they look really happy. Girls get asked to dance more. It's not perfect yet, and it will probably never be, but we've taken steps in the right direction. In the end, I also want to challenge the ladies. We've taught ladies how to do shines in different situations. However, many of them freeze when the guys open with a 'T-stance' or 'Lunge stance'. You can't blame the guys for that. The ladies have to let their hair down. If you don't remember what you've learned, just make up something. It doesn't have to be great. Whatever you do, you'll put a smile on the guys' faces. We are easily pleased if you just give it a try.
- Yang
I like yang's comment on making stuff up (during shines). That is what I do, I forget my footwork all the time and sometimes the music is too fast to execute. Also footwork and shines that are taught should be view as building a foundation. Something to play with and change to fit your own style. I would like for the ladies to be more ambitious and play with styling while social dancing, it make not look as clean the first time around, but it will always improve.
- marques
I think that when students walk into a dance studio, it is up to the instructor to provide the fundamentals, technics, patterns, and musicality. They can only grow from what is taught to them. If they are not taught these things, they will grow in the wrong direction. Instructors (all instructors) should have a curriculum that caters to these basics. The students are totally in the instructors hands and ignorance is bliss; so they will think that they are getting the best instruction this city has to offer without knowing the true basics when that's far from it. I think everyone is doing their best with what they have been taught. And it is up to the student themselves to personally improve their dancing. Keep raising the bar! On the flip side, here is a good video clip of Griselle Ponce and Wesley that is a great example of how to let the lady style without breaking away from her. Enjoy!
- Experienced dancer
Thanks for the enlightenment. I'll make sure we teach all the fundamentals, technics, patterns, and musicality at our studio.
- Yang
I think when it comes to dancing, there is a progression time. When I started dancing all I focused on was patterns, then styling, then spins, and finally over a year later, having fun. I was taught styling at the beginning but I wasn't ready for it, there was so much more that I needed to learn before I got to that level. I believe a lot of dancers are comfortable enough to just break away, that is for women and men, and the only way to do it is to do it. It doesn't matter what....do the running man...I do!! Lastly, I don't think that it is right to blame the studios. Blaming studios for that is like blaming the teacher because little Johnny can't read. The dancers that women enjoy dancing with have been the best students of salsa. These people go out, and while they are out they watch other dancers to see if there is anything that they can incorporate and if they have questions they ask. Theses people also watch videos, either from YouTube or something else and go to workshops, just so they can get one more thing that will make them better. These people are the dancers that, at some point, will be the guys you are talking about.
- Joel
The truth is women are so darn complex that you just have to figure out what style the lady likes. I for one like to be silly and play up to my skill that I am comfortable with. Like the comedian Chris Rock said, “It’s impossible to make a woman happy!” So try and give it a shot when you try to impress her. What do I do to rip up the floor and make her happy? First, always smile and do your basic moves. Then out of the blue, throw a move like Patrick Swazey would do and finish it with a nice dip at the end. Add a Julio Iglesias accent to enhance the experience. Ladies love it all the time… :)
- Larry T Boston, Massachusetts
Studios/instructors do have a responsibility to empasize rhythm, musicality, and making a connection with your partner. I don't agree with teaching patterns before someone can comfortably dance to the rhythm. But this can be difficult to do for some studios, because a lot of people are wowed by the flashy patterns and spins and think that's salsa. Because of that mentality, a lot of people don't want to take the time to develop a solid foundation. I have actually lost a couple of students, because I refuse to teach patterns to someone who can't follow the rhythm. They ended up going to a place where the instructors didn't care how well they did as long as they paid. So yes, I agree that there are some irresponsible instructors out here, and I feel bad for the innocent victims who don't know any better. But, students need to be dedicated as well. Also, one reason the "newbies" are better is because the instructors have improved, and the "newbies" have much more to choose from. All of these styling classes, instructors, different philosophies, and studios weren't around for the pioneers of the Indianapolis salsa scene. They have the benefit of learning from people who've been there and done that. And we can't always blame the men either. Some ladies give men attitude or act bored if they're not being thrown around the whole song. This stank behavior has made some men feel like they need to do a million patterns. Also, I personally don't care if a man spins me once and himself 100. I don't always feel like working that hard. Sometimes, I just look to cute to sweat that much. Everybody just needs to relax, 'cause ain't nobody that damn good.
- Shayne
Shayne, kudos on the comment, nicely said.
- Marques
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